[She takes a deep breath, because she wasn't there for some of this, but she does know the basics.]
No.
[There's so much Elena's been through, she understands her not being able to answer all the questions or provide as many details. It's hard for her, she knows, bearing the weight of all the people who died to try and keep her alive.]
So the ritual to break the hybrid curse on Klaus required a living doppelganger, but she had to die in the process. Elena wanted to live but she also didn't want to be a vampire so Stefan was trying to find other ways, but we were running out of time and ... Damon figured that Elena as a vampire who hated him was better than a dead Elena so he forced her to drink vampire blood. That rendered the solution Stefan did find moot, unfortunately, so what we were looking at was Elena waking up in transition and making the choice of whether or not she was going to turn.
[Because Stefan would have given her that choice. He would have given her whatever he wanted back then, when he was still in love with her, before it all became complicated.]
John found another way. He and Bonnie did a spell, tying his life to hers. When Elena died in the ritual, the spell brought her back. But you can't do a spell like that without balance. John died in her place.
[It's everyone's least favorite part of the story, let's be honest.]
She did. She met Isobel too.
[She pauses.]
She's also dead, though I don't know the details on that one.
[And maybe the Gilberts won't care about that as much. Miranda holds up a hand, interrupting for the first time in a long time. "Why was the question how to help Elena survive and not how to keep her away from Klaus in the first place?"
Caroline's mouth works for a moment because this treads on things she's not sure Elena would want her to talk about. Her survivor's guilt, and determination to be the one that takes the blows on her own behalf, not passing them off to other people to protect her. Every time they came up with a plan, she wanted nothing to do with any of them. She didn't want to stand at another funeral, yet she went on to stand at so many.
Fortunately, there's the more direct option:]
Because at the time, we thought it was the best way to kill Klaus. That he would be vulnerable as the curse was breaking, and we would be able to use that to our advantage. Bonnie had absorbed a ton of magic and Elijah was going to help us but ... Elijah stabbed us in the back and Klaus stabbed him in the front so ... maybe that evens out somewhere. Plus, Klaus had Jenna so ... I don't think Elena was ever going to let her die alone.
[To say the least. They lost a lot of people that year. And when Grayson puts her turning in that context, she winces because she can't say it's not true but ...]
That's what she says, but I also think it was Katherine trying to prove a point.
[Of course Elena hadn't gone too deep into Katherine yet. But the sigh Caroline gives is more about how much Elena puts on herself than it is about Katherine.]
There's not a lot Elena could have done. Katherine Pierce is the previous that we know of Petrova Doppelganger. She's also a very old vampire. Her getting to me in the hospital was like taking candy from a baby, either playing on people thinking she was Elena or just compelling them to ignore her.
Also I love Elena to death, but she thinks that everything that happens to other people is her fault if she's tangentially involved. Her survivor's guilt has a whole fancy luggage set of baggage.
( His eyebrows furrow, understanding what a Petrova doppelganger really is, and perhaps why Elena and Caroline and everyone was targeted in the first place. )
But, really, it's Klaus. And Katherine. And vampires in the tomb. All vampires that fall under our side of what vampires are. Please, tell us about other vampires. One that's not a Salvatore or you. Doesn't feel like an even playing field to us.
( He needs to hear about it. It might help him feel better about any of us, about his daughter just being born into circumstances. And Ryan, he'd add, but he thinks Ryan is implied. )
[Okay. She takes a breath as she tries to think of who would be good examples.]
There's this kid, MG. A recent grad from the school. He's a really good kid. Loves comic books and just wants to do what's right for people. When the kids at school would team up to deal with a problem, he called them the super squad. He got turned by accident, and his mom was aware of the world and brought him to us so we could help him. His best friend is named Kaleb, and he's a lot more of a smooth talker and more likely to get into trouble, but it's your regular teenage boy kind of trouble.
[Who else who else who else.]
There's a vampire shrink. Her name is Camille O'Connell and she is honestly helping a lot of the older vamps deal with their trauma. So much so we're willing to forgive her her husband, who is not great but a lot better than he used to be because of her.
[She gives a small shrug.]
There's a new vampire I'm working with who's an FBI agent, and he has ADHD so was having a bit of a hard time with the enhancements of it all, but he's doing a lot better now and he's loyal and smart and incredibly sarcastic, but we all have our coping mechanisms.
We're all just ... people. Doing the best we can with this thing that happened to us. It wasn't our fault, but we're making it work.
[Caroline pauses, because from an objective scenario she's not really sure a lot of what they know about vampires doesn't still hold true.]
Vervain is still good for preventing compulsion. If you take it in your tea every morning, you should be fine.
[At least as far as protection is concerned.]
Just ... give Elena and Jeremy a little grace. There's a good ... decade of trauma that they're trying to unpack for you guys, and Elena also is trying to protect the secrets of the people she loves too. She's not keeping secrets to hurt you, she's just doing her best.
[Caroline nods, and she starts to get up before Miranda speaks up again. "How did Liz ... get past all of this?"
Caroline pauses, before shrugging.]
It wasn't immediate. She found out without me telling her and things got ... complicated. But we talked, and we kept talking, and she realized she loved me more than she hated vampires.
[Because that's really what it comes down to in the end.]
( That feels like a familiar metaphor (19) that it seems to resonate in him. It doesn't change everything. But, he can see how Caroline being around (and dead) might be better than dead (and gone.) )
Okay. Is there...anything we can do to help with the Thanksgiving prep? Slyly pass by our -- lecture? Maybe start over?
( He's not in the shower, he's half-dressed with a provided robe, sitting on his bed and looking up flights to Scotland, timing it out. He wouldn't even make it in time... )
[Miranda slows her initial reaction, taking her time to close the door before making her way across the room to look at the flights over his shoulder. She doesn't want him to go, but she also knows that if were Grayson, buried under a castle full of rubble halfway around the world, she wouldn't want to sit still either.
She peers at the flight times, before resting her hands on his shoulders.]
I understand why you want to go. But that's fifteen hours on the plane alone.
[She lets that amount of time sink in before continuing.]
Maybe it would be best to wait, just a little while. Bonnie's been sending updates, and while she hasn't found Dawn yet, you don't want to be on a plane, unable to answer the phone when she does.
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No.
[There's so much Elena's been through, she understands her not being able to answer all the questions or provide as many details. It's hard for her, she knows, bearing the weight of all the people who died to try and keep her alive.]
So the ritual to break the hybrid curse on Klaus required a living doppelganger, but she had to die in the process. Elena wanted to live but she also didn't want to be a vampire so Stefan was trying to find other ways, but we were running out of time and ... Damon figured that Elena as a vampire who hated him was better than a dead Elena so he forced her to drink vampire blood. That rendered the solution Stefan did find moot, unfortunately, so what we were looking at was Elena waking up in transition and making the choice of whether or not she was going to turn.
[Because Stefan would have given her that choice. He would have given her whatever he wanted back then, when he was still in love with her, before it all became complicated.]
John found another way. He and Bonnie did a spell, tying his life to hers. When Elena died in the ritual, the spell brought her back. But you can't do a spell like that without balance. John died in her place.
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Do you know if she knew the truth before he died?
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She did. She met Isobel too.
[She pauses.]
She's also dead, though I don't know the details on that one.
[And maybe the Gilberts won't care about that as much. Miranda holds up a hand, interrupting for the first time in a long time. "Why was the question how to help Elena survive and not how to keep her away from Klaus in the first place?"
Caroline's mouth works for a moment because this treads on things she's not sure Elena would want her to talk about. Her survivor's guilt, and determination to be the one that takes the blows on her own behalf, not passing them off to other people to protect her. Every time they came up with a plan, she wanted nothing to do with any of them. She didn't want to stand at another funeral, yet she went on to stand at so many.
Fortunately, there's the more direct option:]
Because at the time, we thought it was the best way to kill Klaus. That he would be vulnerable as the curse was breaking, and we would be able to use that to our advantage. Bonnie had absorbed a ton of magic and Elijah was going to help us but ... Elijah stabbed us in the back and Klaus stabbed him in the front so ... maybe that evens out somewhere. Plus, Klaus had Jenna so ... I don't think Elena was ever going to let her die alone.
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( New loves. Vampires. Hatred. Bloodshed. And so, so much death.
He barely remembers Isobel as a face from his brother's high school class. But he remembers that night. )
And Klaus is the one that inhabited her teacher. Stalked her for months. Basically, he's why you were turned.
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[To say the least. They lost a lot of people that year. And when Grayson puts her turning in that context, she winces because she can't say it's not true but ...]
That's what she says, but I also think it was Katherine trying to prove a point.
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Katherine? Elena couldn't protect you from her while you were in the hospital. She feels guilt for that.
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There's not a lot Elena could have done. Katherine Pierce is the previous that we know of Petrova Doppelganger. She's also a very old vampire. Her getting to me in the hospital was like taking candy from a baby, either playing on people thinking she was Elena or just compelling them to ignore her.
Also I love Elena to death, but she thinks that everything that happens to other people is her fault if she's tangentially involved. Her survivor's guilt has a whole fancy luggage set of baggage.
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But, really, it's Klaus. And Katherine. And vampires in the tomb. All vampires that fall under our side of what vampires are. Please, tell us about other vampires. One that's not a Salvatore or you. Doesn't feel like an even playing field to us.
( He needs to hear about it. It might help him feel better about any of us, about his daughter just being born into circumstances. And Ryan, he'd add, but he thinks Ryan is implied. )
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[Okay. She takes a breath as she tries to think of who would be good examples.]
There's this kid, MG. A recent grad from the school. He's a really good kid. Loves comic books and just wants to do what's right for people. When the kids at school would team up to deal with a problem, he called them the super squad. He got turned by accident, and his mom was aware of the world and brought him to us so we could help him. His best friend is named Kaleb, and he's a lot more of a smooth talker and more likely to get into trouble, but it's your regular teenage boy kind of trouble.
[Who else who else who else.]
There's a vampire shrink. Her name is Camille O'Connell and she is honestly helping a lot of the older vamps deal with their trauma. So much so we're willing to forgive her her husband, who is not great but a lot better than he used to be because of her.
[She gives a small shrug.]
There's a new vampire I'm working with who's an FBI agent, and he has ADHD so was having a bit of a hard time with the enhancements of it all, but he's doing a lot better now and he's loyal and smart and incredibly sarcastic, but we all have our coping mechanisms.
We're all just ... people. Doing the best we can with this thing that happened to us. It wasn't our fault, but we're making it work.
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Apparently, vampires really do get redemption and do things like people. )
A therapist for vampires?
( Now he's heard everything.
But, he nods along, okay, she gets points for real stories. )
Okay. Thank you. And. You obviously have advanced hearing. And speed. And strength? And you don't only go out at night.
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[She holds up the lapis lazuli ring on her hand.]
Bonnie made it for me. As long as I'm wearing it, I can go out in the sun like a normal human. I go out without it and I go up like a torch.
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( Which goes against everything they know. )
Is there anything else we should know? That might help our understanding, or might save our lives one of these days?
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Vervain is still good for preventing compulsion. If you take it in your tea every morning, you should be fine.
[At least as far as protection is concerned.]
Just ... give Elena and Jeremy a little grace. There's a good ... decade of trauma that they're trying to unpack for you guys, and Elena also is trying to protect the secrets of the people she loves too. She's not keeping secrets to hurt you, she's just doing her best.
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We know. We don't blame her. Or you. Or, this. We know, despite it all, how lucky we are to have this chance.
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[She flashes them a smile, before her expression turns a little more pensive.]
I wish my mom could have been here. She really missed you guys.
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( There is no polite way of asking, 'Was it vampires?' )
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It was cancer.
[Miranda almost slumps in relief for one of her friends dying a tragic but more normal death that doesn't require an entire explanation. "And Bill?"]
Stabbed! Also with supernatural shenanigans, but nothing that directly impacts Elena or Jeremy.
[Let's not put Ric on the wrong foot with Elena's parents. Especially when it wasn't really his fault.]
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( He wasn't a good man, but he was a man and he was her father. )
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Caroline pauses, before shrugging.]
It wasn't immediate. She found out without me telling her and things got ... complicated. But we talked, and we kept talking, and she realized she loved me more than she hated vampires.
[Because that's really what it comes down to in the end.]
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Okay. Is there...anything we can do to help with the Thanksgiving prep? Slyly pass by our -- lecture? Maybe start over?
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That is a good place to start.
Miranda steps away, however, which is probably for the best because she's useless in the kitchen anyway.]
I'm going to go check on Jeremy.
[Because he's been in that shower a long time.]
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[Miranda knocks lightly on his door, not wanting to barge her way in but wanting to make sure he's okay all the same.]
You alright in there?
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I could take a plane to JFK and then fly into London before switching planes. I'd have to rent a car in Edinburgh.
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She peers at the flight times, before resting her hands on his shoulders.]
I understand why you want to go. But that's fifteen hours on the plane alone.
[She lets that amount of time sink in before continuing.]
Maybe it would be best to wait, just a little while. Bonnie's been sending updates, and while she hasn't found Dawn yet, you don't want to be on a plane, unable to answer the phone when she does.
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